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Re: Richard Dawkins talks about Islam

Post by Sigfig on Sat Dec 11, 2010 3:40 pm

does your hate ever run out, pro?
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Re: Richard Dawkins talks about Islam

Post by Svenne on Sat Dec 11, 2010 5:39 pm

I think he's right about it, at least partially. I've never heard of suicide bombers that aren't muslims.
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Post by DShiznit on Sat Dec 11, 2010 7:13 pm

Svenne wrote:I think he's right about it, at least partially. I've never heard of suicide bombers that aren't muslims.

*cough* Tim McVeigh *cough*
Technically he wasn't a suicide bomber but he did kill a lot of people
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Post by Sigfig on Sat Dec 11, 2010 10:50 pm

Svenne wrote:I think he's right about it, at least partially. I've never heard of suicide bombers that aren't muslims.

are you serious
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Re: Richard Dawkins talks about Islam

Post by le1ca on Sat Dec 11, 2010 11:14 pm

lol this thread
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Post by DShiznit on Sun Dec 12, 2010 1:12 am

Hostile wrote:Oh yeah did I mention that if a girl gets raped in a Muslim country she gets stoned to death. Because they say it's her fault. What a peaceful religion.

Depends on the country actually.
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Re: Richard Dawkins talks about Islam

Post by le1ca on Sun Dec 12, 2010 3:51 am

you can't blame that solely on the religion either
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Post by DShiznit on Sun Dec 12, 2010 8:22 am

Yeah, give their sadistic leaders some credit!
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Post by Sigfig on Sun Dec 12, 2010 12:06 pm

stoning is actually prohibited by the quran

judaism is the only abrahamic religion that permits it as a form of punishment
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Re: Richard Dawkins talks about Islam

Post by Jesus on Sun Dec 12, 2010 2:23 pm

tl;dr
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Re: Richard Dawkins talks about Islam

Post by Sigfig on Sun Dec 12, 2010 2:24 pm

calling any abrahamic religion peaceful is a misnomer
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Re: Richard Dawkins talks about Islam

Post by Svenne on Sun Dec 12, 2010 5:21 pm

Also, we had terror bombings in Stockholm yesterday. One dead and two injured.
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Post by le1ca on Sun Dec 12, 2010 8:07 pm

correlation does not imply causation, etc
it's just another backwards country

and the scriptures are open to interpretation and youve just taken shit out of context specifically so we can misinterpret it

terrorists may often be muslim, but muslims are rarely terrorists. the terrorists just interpreted shit the wrong way.
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Re: Richard Dawkins talks about Islam

Post by Sigfig on Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:10 pm

What would it take to convince you that this religion is misogynist, disgusting, coercive, racist, immoral, homophobic, and anti semitic, and that it has no place in modern world.

a few of those adjectives have no place in that sentence
disregarding those, you have yet to convince me that islam is the only abrahamic religion to exhibit such qualities
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Re: Richard Dawkins talks about Islam

Post by DShiznit on Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:30 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein#Secular_leadership

Assholes exist in all schools of thought, religious, political, and otherwise. Blaming the entire religion for how a small fraction of a percent interpret would be akin to me blaming atheism for how people like Saddam Hussein and Josef Stalin made used it to justify their actions.
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Re: Richard Dawkins talks about Islam

Post by Pielikey on Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:28 pm

No, but you didn't read what he posted either
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Re: Richard Dawkins talks about Islam

Post by Sigfig on Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:34 pm

"disgusting" and "immoral" are subjective and have no place in a factual argument

coerciveness is a quality exhibit by almost every religious belief. if you can find a religious belief that converts members without implying there being a downside to not converting, i will concede this point easily.

homophobic, racist, and misogynist, as i stated before, are exhibited by the other abrahamic faiths. you have yet to produce a counter to this statement.

anti-semitic is shared with christianity, but not judaism for obvious reasons
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Re: Richard Dawkins talks about Islam

Post by Jesus on Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:14 pm

I recall there was once I time when there was a bunch of Christians who went around murdering people because they weren't Christian. And when people people got married at the age of 12. And when all these things happened back in the olden days. In Rome it was okay to murder your own brother to take control of the kingdom. And to steal the women from another city and rape them to increase the population in your city. And when they had barbaric fights to entertain the populace. And when that wasn't enough they had animals rape women to entertain them.

tl;dr This shit has happened all through out history. A vast majority of the middle east is still stuck in those olden days. That doesn't make their religion evil and it doesn't mean it's okay to be a hypocrite and want to get rid of all of them, because just like us, not all of them have the same opinions.

tl;dr x 2 Pro, you're stupid.
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Re: Richard Dawkins talks about Islam

Post by Sigfig on Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:27 pm

Oh yes, now everything is okay because it's subjective, how lovely. You can murder a person, it isn't wrong, society thinks it is, but actually it's subjective, and so it's okay to do it, according to sigfig.

If you wish to argue that Islam permits murder, do so. Do not label such an action as "bad", because that holds no grounds in a factual argument. Calling someone a "murderer" describes a specific action, while calling someone "terrible" leaves me clueless as to what you intended to argue.


And sure, anyone can commit child rape, stone somebody to death, and poison the minds of young children in a clear violation of their human rights, as long as they use religion as an excuse, according to sigfig.

Again, if you wish to argue that Islam permits such things, argue those. However, morality is subjective and if a person believes those violent actions is permitted under their religion, such actions comply with their morals. Stonings may not be immoral for these people. That's doesn't make it not stoning, though.


racism and anti-antisemitism are okay because nearly all the religions do it, once again, according to sigfig. In fact, hate speech laws are applied in the West against those critical of Islam, but never against Muslim imams who mock Jewish, or Christian infidels. Listen pal, just because everyone is stoning and murdering each other, doesn't mean it's right.

Did I say I permit them? No, I said they were shared between abrahamic religions. You target Islam for things a series of religions exhibit. Target the series of religions, or admit your bias.

side note: this isn't the 70s, the terms "east" and "west" as reference to cultural groups and levels of civilization are deprecated
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Re: Richard Dawkins talks about Islam

Post by Sigfig on Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:43 pm

Hostile wrote:Let me ask you something sigfig, what if some Islamic nutcase murdered a member of your family, how would you like that?

I would dislike that individual in particular.

I expect you to reply to the previous argument tomorrow.
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Re: Richard Dawkins talks about Islam

Post by Sigfig on Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:50 pm

I hold an individual responsible for their actions, not their ideals.

I'm out for tonight, and I'm not going to allow you to evade my arguments any longer. Have a response to my other post tomorrow.
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Re: Richard Dawkins talks about Islam

Post by Jesus on Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:13 am

Hostile wrote:Let me ask you something sigfig, what if some Islamic nutcase murdered a member of your family, how would you like that?
If a Christian/Jewish/Atheist/Whatever religion nutcasse murdered some people you cared about how would you like that?
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Re: Richard Dawkins talks about Islam

Post by Jesus on Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:15 am

This clearly shows how downright ignorant you are, in case you haven't noticed, Muslims are attempting to shove their religion into everyone's faces by crowbaring Sharia law into Europe (among other things and probably the United states is coming up next), in fact, just recently, Sweden has changed it's constitution to accommodate Islamic values.

In case you haven't noticed, that's what the Christian crusades were.
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Post by le1ca on Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:52 am

i just scrolled through it but why was i namedropped
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Re: Richard Dawkins talks about Islam

Post by Jesus on Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:56 am

I don't think it's justified. I'm not fond on religions either, but I don't think the religion is the cause of crazy people killing people. Crazy people are going to kill people no matter what. Yes religion makes it easier to persuade people, but all religions do that. If you are going to hate religion, that's fine, but I think taking away peoples freedom of religion is a bigger violation of human rights. I understand that you are pissed at these people, but I don't think it's right to generalize it into one giant heap. It just comes off as ridiculously biased.
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